for 36 years my opponent's been back there, and we haven't had a solution. at ibm if you're in a position and you don't fix something, you're fired, you're terminated, you're done. >> moderator: let's go to our next question. it's from randy parker, ceo of the utah farm bureau. it'll go to mr. howell. mr. parker. >> senator hatch, mr. howell, good to be here. our national debt is clearly a burden on our country and our future financial well being. what do you propose to do to reduce government spending, cut the debt and secure our national security for the future? howell: well, thank you, randy, and i appreciate the farm bureau, and randy was actually one of those that my grandfather mentored from our farm down in castleville, utah. you know, the biggest issue we're facing in this country is the debt and deficit. we have to solve this, and i think orrin and i would both agree, we have to go back and make some very challenging cuts. now, i've always supported the simpson-bowles. i believe that is the beginning that we have to implement it. but, ladies and gen